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zigmund froidi

(daibada 1856 wlis 6 maiss im droisTvis avstriis imperiis qalaq fraibergSi (amJamad CexeTis qalaqi prJibori) - † 23 seqtemberi, 1939, londoni). avstrieli nevropaTologi, fsiqiatri, fsiqologi, fsiqoanalizis fuZemdebeli.

igi aris siRrmis fsiqologiis, rogorc adamianis axali xedvisa da pirovnebis pirveli Teoriis-fsiqoanalizis damfuZnebeli. aseve misi wvlili fsiqologiaSi imiTacaa niSandoblivi, rom man Camoayaliba da ganaviTara fsiqodinamika, rogorc axali fsiqologiuri Tvalsazrisi, romelSic centraluria: aracnobieri, e.w. Drive (qcevis fsiqikuri mastimulirebeli, mamoZravebeli an/da aRmZvreli faqtorebi). individi fsiqodinamikaSi ganixileba, rogorc genetikuri konstituciisa da garemo pirobebis urTierTqmedebis produqti.

froidi 83 wlis asakSi gardaicvala londonSi 1939 wlis 23 seqtembers xaxis kiboTi, man 33-jer gaikeTa operacia, bolo wlebi igi atarebda xaxis protezs, magram mainc ar wyvetda sigaris wevas. misi mecnieruli Semoqmedeba cxovrebis bolomde grZeldeboda, Tumca bolo 4 wlis ganmavlobaSi igi leqciebs veRar kiTxulobda da cxadia veRarc fsiqoTerapias eweoda klientebTan, radgan piris RrusTan dakavSirebulma simsivnurma problemebma misi xma Zalian daasusta. misi sayovelTaod cnobili gardacvalebis faqti aseTia: froidma Tavad sTxova eqims morfinis zedmeti doza miewodebina misTvis, radgan igi Zalian itanjeboda da tkivilebis gadatanas azric aRar hqonda. igi sikvdilis drosac Segnebul mdgomareobaSi imyofeboda.

misi Teoria saocrad Seesabameboda epoqis suliskveTebas. im droindeli vena - es iyo erotizmis mdidruli gafurCqvnis xana. imperiis dedaqalaqSi 40 000-mde meZavi iyo, evropis arcerT qalaqSi ar ibeWdeboda amdeni pornografiuli suraTebi. Tumca seqsualuri Tavisufleba vrceldeboda mxolod mamakacebze. gogonebi aristrokratiuli ojaxebidan unda moqceuliyvnen, rogorc angelozebi. miuxedavad amisa, qalur seqsualobaze - veneli eqimisa da mweralis artur Snicleris moTxrobebis sayvarel Temaze - saubrobdnen yvela viwro wreSi. "yvelaferi amoZravda, seqsuluri istoriebi izidavs xalxs", werda froidi 1893 wlis bolos. igi, iseve, rogorc im epoqis bevri eqimi, darwmunebuli iyo, rom masturbaciam da coitus interruptus (Sewyvetilma sqesobrivma aqtma) SesaZloa gamoiwvion nervozis ganviTareba. eqimi froidi, romlis misaRebSic saubrobdnen seqsze, moduri eqimi xdeba. gansakuTrebiT moduri imitom, rom sul ufro da ufro uaxlovdeba bavSvuri seqsualobis Temas - Temas, romelic saukuneebis ganmavlobaSi akrZalulad iTvleboda da sazogadoeba uyurebda, rogorc saSiSs. 1895 wlis bolos cnobil saSobao zRaparSi xelnaweri, romelic saaxalwlo milocvasTan erTad gaugzavna fliss, froidi ayalibebs ramdenime mniSvnelovan ideas. igi wers, rom nevrozebi SeiZleba gamoiwvion cnobierebisgan "gaqceulma" afeqtebma (konfliqti, ciliswameba, Seuracxyofa, glova). Soreul bavSvobaSi saqsualuri bunebis matramvirebeli gancdebis Sedegebi. akviatebuli qmedebebis nervozebs froidi xsnis ase: pacientis bavSvobaSi iyo raime tipis seqsualuri gancda Zalze mtkivneuli Camouyalibebeli cnobierebisTvis da amitom igi ganidevna aracnobierSi, "daviwyebas mieca". bavSvi did xania gaizarda, magram danaSaulis amoucnobi gancda, sindis qenjvnis mtkivneuli grZnoba da mzadyofna "daisajos" (gaugebaria risTvis) ubiZgebs mas akviatebuli qmedebebisken. Cems bavSvobaSi iyo raRac "cudi", ris gamoc me axla sindisis qenjvna mawuxebs. Sesabamisad ukeTesi ar iqneba CemTvis axali danaSaulisgan gaqcevis mizniT, ganvicdide sindisis qenjvnas? nevrotuli saqcieli - es aris cixe-simagre, romelsac agebs fsiqe, raTa Tavi daicvas warsulisgan, romelic mas emuqreba. "saSobao zRaparSi" aRwerilia aracnobieri|aracnobieris axali saxe - es aris usasrulo brZolis veli, sadac erTmaneTs ebrZvian sxvadasxva Zalebi. SemTxveviTi ar aris is, rom froidi iyenebs sabrZolo terminebs: dacva, gandevna, gamoRviZebuli me. magram vin vis icavs? vin ras gandevnis? sabolod vin imarjvebs? vin arian es msaxiobebi Cveni biografiis scenaze? mogvianebiT froidi maT saxelebs daarqmevs: "idi", "ego", "super-ego". misi azriT, SeuZlebelia aixsnas pirovnebis damangreveli nevrotuli konfliqtebi, Tu davuSvebT imas, rom pirovneba - es erTi mTlianobaa. da froidi yofs mas Semadgenel nawilebad. TiToeuli maTgani sakuTar rols TamaSobs da sakuTar interesebs emsaxureba. "idi" - es aris vnebebis, instinqtebis da gatacebebis samflobelo. "super-ego" - moralis instanciaa, romelic ZiriTadad aRmocendeba mamis avtoritetTan Sejaxebis Sedegad. gonebiT dajildovebuli "ego" Suamavlis rols asrulebs survilebsa da realobas, Sinagan da garegan samyaros, "idi"-sa "super-ego"-s Soris. amitom "ego" yovelTvis "erTdroulad or skamze zis". man unda gauZlos Seuracxyofebs da daicvas Tavisi "matarebeli" konfliqtebisgan - daicvas nervozebis fasad. aq Cven vawydebiT veneli mecnieris Rrma darwmunebulobas - adamiani dausruleblad mowyvladia. froidma mTlianad ganicada es faqti sakuTar Tavze, rodesac 1896 wels (swored am wels man pirvelad ixmara cneba "fsiqoanalizi") veneli fsiqiatrebis winaSe kiTxulobda naSroms bavSvobis seqsualur gancdebze. gabrazebul mdgomareobaSi myofi, igi fliss wers: "Cemma naSromma im virebisgan miiRo mecnieruli zRapris Sefaseba, da es mas Semdeg, rac maT uCvenes gadawyveta problemisa, romelzec aTasobiT wlis ganmavlobaSi fiqrobdnen adamianebi!" gaafTrebuli froidi mourideblad gamoxatavs Tavis damokidebulebas: "jandabamdec gza hqoniaT!" man kolegebs warudgina damuSavebuli, SeiZleba iTqvas, saguldagulod "daReWili" Teoria, magram maT is ver gaiges! froidis gabrazeba ki Zalze advilia: igi Riziandeba, rodesac esmis sul mcire miniSnebac ki, rom misi ar esmiT an akritikeben. mecnieris kavSiri, urTierToba samyarosTan arasodes ar iyo martivi, xolo misi damokidebuleba adamianebisadmi savse iyo winaaRmdegibebiT:"CemTvis yovelTvis aucilebeli iyo axlo megobari da mosisxle mteri", aRiarebda froidi. xSirad es ori cneba erTiandeboda erT adamianSi. vilhelm flisTan froidis megobroba gaurkveveli mizezebis gamo samudamod dasrulda 1900-iani wlebis dasawyisisTvis. maSin, rodesac fsiqoanalizi mTel msoflioSi udidesi popularobiT sargeblobda, froidis "memkvidre princi" iyo Sveicarieli fsiqologi karl gustav iungi - da swored is gaxda mogvianebiT misi udidesi mteri. 1912 wels, iungTan mtkinveuli daSorebis Semdeg, froidis meore ndobiT aRWurvilma pirma, britanelma fsiqologma ernst jonsma SesTavaza mas, SeeqmnaT fsiqoanalizis erTguli mimdevrebis komiteti. nebismieri SemoTavazeba "ZiriTadi ideebis" CarCoebisgan gamosvlisa unda ganxiluliyo komitetis wevrebis viwro wreSi mkacri gasaidumloebulobis dacviT, raTa gamoricxuliyo moZraobis SigniT ganxeTqilebis gaCenis safrTxe. froidi aRfrTovanebiT Sexvda am ideas. xuTi adamiani, romlebmac Tavdapirvelad Seqmnes froidis "gvardia", mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi rCeboda Tanamoazreebis erTian gundad. (kritikosebi ki fsiqoanalitikur mimdinareobas moixseniebdnen, rogorc seqtas). amasTan froidi yovelTvis mzad iyo absoluturad Seecvala sakuTari ideebi. igi aSkarad ar ganixilavda Tavis Teorias, rogorc dasrulebul nagebobas. is viTardeboda ise, TiTqos Tavdapirvelad man aaSena saxli, Semdeg miamata avtosadgomi, daaSena kidev erTi sarTuli, kedelSi gaWra fanjrebi… froidis ideebi Zalian xSirad SeiZleba orgvarad gavigoT. TiTqos froidi sul Tavidan da Tavidan igonebs fsiqoanalizs. 1896-1897 wlebSi, magaliTad, igi uars acxadebs nervozis cnebaze, rogorc bavSvobaSi garyvnilebis Sedegze. da saubrobs oidiposis kompleqsze. rogorc Cans, nervozebis ganviTarebis TeoriaSi axali fazis dawyeba emTxveva froidis mamis gardacvalebas 1896 wlis oqtomberSi. gadaitana ra gadamwyveti mniSvnelobis mqone danakargi mamakacis cxovrebaSi, froidi sul ufro da ufro meti yuradRebiT aanalizebs sakuTar sizmrebs. fiqrobs ra mamaze, igi uRrmavdeba Tavis bavSvobas.

flisisadmi miweril werilebSi WeSmaritad veluri istoriebia. froidis pacientebi moSxamulni arian bavSvobaSi garyvnili mozrdilebis mier. "samwuxarod, mamaCemi erT-erTi am garyvnilTagani iyo da damnaSavea imaSi, rom isteriiT daavaddnen Cemi Zma da umcrosi debi", wers froidi Tavis megobars berlinSi. da mainc, is jer kidev ar aris darwmunebuli Tavis simarTleSi. ra Tqma unda, yvela am keTilsindisier batonebs solidur tanisamosSi, froidi savsebiT realur seqsualur moZaladeebad Tvlis, magram "sixSire, romliTac gvxvdeba nervozebi, maiZulebs amaSi eWvi Sevitano". 1897 wlis maisSi igi wers: "CemSi yvelaferi moZraobs da duRs, aris bundovani molodini imisa, rom male raRac moxdeba". da bolos, 1897 wlis 21 seqtembris cnobili werili. italiidan dabrunebuli froidi fliss swers: "me isev aq var, dasvenebuli, mxiaruli, ufulo da jerjerobiT usaqmuri. da minda axlave mogiyve saidumloze, romelic bolo dros xSirad mafiqrebs. me aRar mjera nevrozis Cemeuli gagebis". froidi kidev erTxel CamoTvlis yvelafer imas, rac mas afiqrebs da awuxebs. pirvel rigSi, seqsuluri borotad mopyrobis hipoteza arc erTxel ar daexmara mas realurad bolomde mieyvana analizi. meore, isteriis gavrcelebulobidan gamomdinare Zalian bevri adamiani unda yofiliyo garyvnili mozrdilebis msxverpli. mesame, rodesac avadmyofi taxtze wveba da mogonebebSi gadadis, yovelTvis gasagebi ar aris, saqme gvaqvs mogonil istoriasTan, Tu realur biografiul faqtTan. naxevari wlis win froidi aRSfoTebuli iyo, rodesac venelma kolegebma mis ideas "mecnieruli zRapari" uwodes, imas, rom nervozi yovelTvis SeiZleba aixsnas bavSvobaSi gadatanili garyvnilebebiT. axla froidi TviTon uaryofs Tavis Teorias... Tumca ufro swori iqneba vTqvaT, rom igi ki ar uaryofs, aramed cvlilebebi Seaqvs masSi. davuSvaT, realur garyvnilebas ar hqonda adgili, magram nuTu ar SeiZleba nervozebi gamoiwvios am TemasTan dakavSirebulma fantaziebma? gana SeiZleba yuradReba ar gavamaxviloT aracnobieris Zalaze? aanalizebs ra Tavis sizmrebs, froidi uRrmavdeba bavSvobis wlebs. sakuTari mamis figuras is axla srulebiT sxvanairad xedavs. ("idi" aranair aqtiur rols ar TamaSobda). da uceb is aRmoaCens, rom warsulSi Tavisi umcrosi Zmis sikvdili undoda. rac mTavaria, masSi isev amoxeTqavs dedis mimarT gansakuTrebuli siyvaruli, aRfrTovaneba, romelic ganicada, rodesac SemTxveviT dainaxa igi SiSveli. oqtomberSi igi wers fliss: "me sakuTar TavSi aRmovaCine dedis mimarT gansakuTrebuli siyvaruli da eWvianobis grZnoba mamisadmi da amas miviCnev movlenad, romelic moicavda mTel Cems bavSvobas. Tu es asea, gasagebi xdeba mefe oidiposis momajadovebeli Zala. yvela iyo rodesRac Tavis bavSvur fantaziebSi aseTi oidiposi da Semdeg am fiqrebis mier mogvrilma SiSma gamoiwvia maTi gandevna, daTrgunva". froidis azri gasagebia: umetes SemTxvevebSi SeuZlebelia seqsuluri urTierTobebis arsebobis faqtis dadastureba mSoblebsa da Svilebs Soris. isini ubralod arc ki iyo. magram survilebi da fantaziebi, siyvarulis, SiSisa da sasowarkveTilebis gancdebi ukve aris bavSvSi. da maT safuZvelze warmoSobilma konfliqtebma SeiZleba mTeli misi cxovreba gansazRvron. antikuri periodis damfasebeli miTi oidiposze, romelic gaucnobiereblad klavs mamas da colad moyavs sakuTri deda, TiTqmis damamtkicebeli sabuTia imisa, rom seqsualuri fantaziebi ar aris ubralo gamonagoni. oidiposi aris pirveladi matarebeli yvela adamianisTvis damaxasiaTebeli fantaziisa da mis miRma imaleba sabediswero mniSvnelobis mqone Zalebi... es Zalebi aris moTxovnilebebi. froidi mTeli cxovrebis manZilze laparakobda seqsualur moTxovnilebebze, TviTgadarCenis moTxovnilebaze, sikvdilisken swrafvaze (misi Teoriis yvelaze sakamaTo nawili). moTxovnilebebi - es aris xidi sxeulsa da suls Soris. moTxovnileba moixsnas seqsualuri daZabuloba Cvens "idi"-Si iwvevs dauokebel survilebs. amitomac bavSvs, romelsac uyvars da eWvianobs, SeuZlia aseTi Zlieri fantazioroba. froidma aRiara mware simarTle moTxovnilebebis samyaros Sesaxeb. flisis mimarT miweril werilebSi igi saubrobs adamianis Sinagan realobaze da gare realobaze, da maT Soris myof "egoze", romelsac uwevs urTierTobebis mogvareba orive mxaresTan. Tanamedrove individis ufro metad tragikuli xati axali fsiqologiuri adamianisa froids arc ki SeeZlo, rom Seeqmna.

froidi gansakuTrebiT ar urTulebda cxovrebas Tavis oponentebs. daavadebebis subieqturi analizi, miTologiuri enis siyvaruli, misi maprovocirebeli ganzogadebebi... fsiqoanalizuri Teoria Tavidanve Zalze advilad mowyvladad gamoiyureboda da mowinaaRmdegeebmac ar daayovnes gamoCena. jer kidev 1910 wels, laparakobda ra bavSvuri seqsualobis Teoriaze, profesori vilhelm veigandti magidaze muSts urtyamda da yviroda: es policiaSi gansaxilveli Temaa! magram ara mxolod pativsacemi mecnierebi akritikebdnen froidis Teorias. man, magaliTad, Zalze gaanawyena bevri qali, aqcia ra droTa ganmavlobaSi oidiposis simboluri figura formulad, romelic lamis pirdapir anatomiidan gamoyavda: oidiposis kompleqsi - es aris movlena, rodesac meamboxe Svili aRsdgeba mamis winaaRmdeg, magram iZulebulia Seeguos mis avtoritets im SiSis gamo, rom mama mas kastracias gaukeTebs. kidev ufro uaresia gogonas SemTxvevaSi. kastraciis safrTxe mis winaSe ar dgas, magram, ganicdis ra damcirebas, mas uviTardeba Suri Zmis falosis mimarT. "anatomia - bedisweraa", - ganacxada erTxel froidma. feministi qeiT milleti werda: "froidizmi yovel eWvs gareSe iyo yvelaze Zlieri kontrrevoluciuri Zala, romelsac Seejaxa qalebis seqsualuri ganTavisuflebisken mimarTuli moZraoba". ra Tqma unda, yvela feminists ase mkacrad ar Seufasebia "kontrrevolucionisti", magram froidis damokidebuleba qalebis mimarT namdvilad paradoqsuli iyo. mravali wlis ganmavlobaSi mis garSemo iyvnen mSvenieri Wkviani Tanamedrove qalebi, magaliTad, lu andreas-salome, rusuli warmomavlobis mwerali, bevri genialuri adamianis (filosofos nicSedan dawyebuli poet rilkeTi damTavrebuli) axlo megobari. magram froidis Sexedulebebi qalze, miuxedavad yvelafrisa, mainc konservatiuli da patriarqaluri iyo. misTvis qali mxolod "axalgazrdobis wlebSi momxibvleli satrfo, xolo mogvianebiT - sayvareli colia". xolo misi seqsualuri cxovreba iyo da iqneba "fsiqologiis bneli kontinenti". froidis Teoriis kritika nawilobriv gamarTlebulia, - aRiarebs londonis wamyvani fsiqoanalitikosi piter foneji. magram miuxedavad amisa, misi Teoria dRemde izidavs yvelas. igi gvaxsenebs, Tu ratom CavdivarT iseT qmedebebs, romlebic isev Cven gvayeneben zians. ratom vxvdebiT isevdaisev erTi da igive konfliqtebSi. ratom gamovdivarT mSoblebis winaaRmdeg. saWiroa Tu ara am kiTxvebze pasuxis gasacemad oidiposis kompleqsi da moTxovnilebebis Teoria - es ukve sxva sakiTxia. meoce saukunis meore naxevarSi froidis umcrosma qaliSvilma annam da misma londonelma oponentma melani klainma fsiqoanalizi mozrdilebis mkurnalobis meTodidan aqcies bavSvebis mkurnalobis meTodad. maTma kamaTebma mZlavri biZgi misces am axali mimarTulebis ganviTarebas. fsiqoanalitikuri kvlevebis obieqtebi gaxdnen ZuZus asakis bavSvebi. bavSvi aRar iTvleboda (rogorc es froidTan iyo) upirovno arsebad, romelsac marTavs "idi"-s Zlieri moTxovnilebebi. axla igi miiCneoda Tanasworuflebian momqmed pirad mamasTan da dedasTan urTierTobis samkuTxedSi. da pubertatuli asakis mniSvneloba dRes fsiqoanalitikosebis mier sxvanairad fasdeba, vidre es xdeboda Tavad froidis dros. SeiZleba iTqvas, rom Tanamedrove fsiqoanalizi ufro gulaxdili gaxda da naklebad damokidebuli froidze - swored amitomac igi dRemde "gamoyenebisTvis misaRebad" iTvleba.

travmebis Tanamedrove Teoria - es erT-erTi xidia, romelic akavSirebs fsiqoanalizs da neirobiologias. travmatuli gancdebi, romlebic iwvevs SiSis momgvrel mogonebebs (fleSbeqi), savaraudod iwvevs hipokampis muSaobis darRvevas. stresis hormonebis Zlieri da didi raodenobiT gamoyofa azianebs mogonebebis dasamuSaveblad saWiro neironul struqturebs. magram es xom froidis mier aRwerili warsulis dabrunebaa, warmodgenili sabunebismetyvelo-mecnieruli modelis saxiT! Tumca travmebiT bavSvis ganviTarebis yvela darRveva ver aixsneba. konkretulad rasTan aqvs saqme fsiqoanalizs? ras warmoadgens mogonebis sagani, rodesac mivyvebiT ra fantaziebis jaWvs, Cven CavdivarT aracnobieris ufskrulSi gandevnil warsul gamocdilebaSi? froidis pasuxi: es aris bavSvuri moTxovnilebebis da fantaziebis gadauWreli konfliqtebi. frangma fsiqoanalitikosma Jak lakanma kidev erTi nabiji gadadga: aracnobieri - es aris ara ubralod gadaulaxavi gamocdilebebiT savse "tomara", romelic unda gaixsnas da gaanalizdes is, rac SigniTaa, rodesac fsiqoanalitikosi da pacienti, saubroben ra masze, aniWeben mas Sinaarss, cdiloben mis logikur interpretacias, aramed - es aris raRac, rac inarCunebs formas da saxes. aracnobieris analizi, lakanis mixedviT, garkveulwilad qmnis da amasTanave aRadgens warsuls, maSasadame aris warsulis gaxseneba momavlidan. fsiqoanalizis arsi imdenad is ki ar aris, rom SeaRwios sulis troaSi. misi azri mdgomareobs SesaZleblobaSi Seqmnas erTgvari simboluri Sinagani istoria, romlis saSualebiTac nebismiers SeeZleba amoxsnas Tavisi Tavi, rogorc adamiani. zigmund froidi sakuTari TavisTvis iqmnida istorias. igi "sizmrebis" Sesaxeb fliss werda: "CemTvis am wigns subieqturi mniSvnelobac aqvs, romlis gacnobierebac mxolod mas Semdeg movaxerxe, rac wigni davasrule. igi aRmoCnda Cemi sakuTari TviTanalizis nawili, Cemi reaqcia mamis sikvdilze".

esec informacia dainteresebul pirTaTvis...

visaubroT am adamianze da Tqven Sexedulebaze.

aqve unda vTqva, rom am adamianma Zalian bevri axalgazrda gamoafroida Tavi gaaRmerTebina...

uamravi etrfis mas da mis "WeSmaritebas".

da uamravia misi fanatikuri "morwmune".

mokleT froidi.

dadebuli suraTi
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi _13_ 11 Jun 2008

miyvars misi naSromebis kiTxva, gansakuTrebiT sainteresoa misi Teoria sizmris Sesaxeb
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi dont worry be happy 11 Jun 2008

Zalian sainteresoa ratom giyvarT froidi? nuTu ase Cawvdit mis filosopias?
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi _13_ 11 Jun 2008

Zalian bevri rame ixsneba misi TeoriebiT da imitom miyvars

Tu rame gasagebi iyo, sxva kuTxiT davinaxe...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 19 Jun 2008

adamiani seqsze Cacikluli, adamiani ze-garyvnileba, adamiani onani, adamiani onanizatorizmi...
mara mainc momwons misi ramdenime idea...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 23 Jul 2009

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro Jun 19 2008, 10:47 AM):

adamiani seqsze Cacikluli, adamiani ze-garyvnileba, adamiani onani, adamiani onanizatorizmi...
mara mainc momwons misi ramdenime idea...
ukve aRar...
mivxvdi rom magari y&ea...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi Goddess 23 Jul 2009

HaMMerFaLL
ese igiii pizdecinteleqtuali xar boziS :misha:

xoda, rac Seexeba zigi zigis.. ra unda am ganyofilebaSi zigmund froids??? amixseniT vinmem da damajereT! :(
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 23 Jul 2009

gamoxmaurebis naxvaGoddesss citata(dapostvis dro Jul 23 2009, 12:45 AM):

HaMMerFaLL
ese igiii pizdecinteleqtuali xar boziS :misha:

xoda, rac Seexeba zigi zigis.. ra unda am ganyofilebaSi zigmund froids??? amixseniT vinmem da damajereT! :D
œ...
am erTxel gavatareb...
Semdegs ukve aRar...


xoda, adamiani romelic Tvlida rom adamians pirvelad seqsi sakuTar mSoblebTan undeba, ####a aba ra aris?
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi kisa 23 Jul 2009

deduSka froid

mimagrebuli failebi

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- is suraTebi Goddess 27 Jul 2009

HaMMerFaLL

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 23rd July 2009 - 04:24 PM):

am erTxel gavatareb...
Semdegs ukve aRar...
ra unda gaataro, kerqi ra...

ai es:

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 23rd July 2009 - 04:24 PM):

xoda, adamiani romelic Tvlida rom adamians pirvelad seqsi sakuTar mSoblebTan undeba, ###########a aba ra aris?
pizdecinteleqtualizmis umaRlesi mwvervalia, aba ra aris???


da kidev erTxel vkiTxulob... ra Wiri darCa froids am ganyofilebaSi???

nesquik
es mikerZovebuli biografiuli amonaridebi saidan moitane???
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 28 Jul 2009

gamoxmaurebis naxvaGoddesss citata(dapostvis dro Jul 27 2009, 03:35 PM):

HaMMerFaLL

ra unda gaataro, kerqi ra...

ai es:
pizdecinteleqtualizmis umaRlesi mwvervalia, aba ra aris???
da kidev erTxel vkiTxulob... ra Wiri darCa froids am ganyofilebaSi???

nesquik
es mikerZovebuli biografiuli amonaridebi saidan moitane???
giTxari erTxel gavatarebmeTqi...
xoda exla ukve miaWi balRo...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi Goddess 28 Jul 2009

HaMMerFaLL

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 28th July 2009 - 02:06 AM):

giTxari erTxel gavatarebmeTqi...
xoda exla ukve miaWi balRo...
1. balRi ver gaxlavarT, rac ar unda gagikvirdeT am forumis wiaRSi.
2. Sens ze-azrebs vexmianebi imis gamo, rom cota gamegeba froidSi, cota... da upirvelesad maocebs am Temis am ganyofilebaSi arseboba da miTumetes Seni superinteleqtualuri komentarebi :)
siamovnebiT gekamaTebi... rom iZaxi, rom

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 23rd July 2009 - 04:24 PM):

xoda, adamiani romelic Tvlida rom adamians pirvelad seqsi sakuTar mSoblebTan undeba, ###########a aba ra aris?
nebismieri sakiTxSi garkveuli dameTanxmeba, rom es pizdec inteleqtualuria :D samomavlod, an sakiTxSi gaerkvie cotaTi da ise poste Sesabamis TemebSi, an gulTbilad Sexvdi kritikas... sityva xom ici CitiviT aris...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 29 Jul 2009

gamoxmaurebis naxvaGoddesss citata(dapostvis dro Jul 28 2009, 07:05 PM):

HaMMerFaLL

1. balRi ver gaxlavarT, rac ar unda gagikvirdeT am forumis wiaRSi.
2. Sens ze-azrebs vexmianebi imis gamo, rom cota gamegeba froidSi, cota... da upirvelesad maocebs am Temis am ganyofilebaSi arseboba da miTumetes Seni superinteleqtualuri komentarebi :)
siamovnebiT gekamaTebi... rom iZaxi, rom nebismieri sakiTxSi garkveuli dameTanxmeba, rom es pizdec inteleqtualuria :) samomavlod, an sakiTxSi gaerkvie cotaTi da ise poste Sesabamis TemebSi, an gulTbilad Sexvdi kritikas... sityva xom ici CitiviT aris...
ginda win dagido an agitvirTo wigni "Sesavali Tanamedrove azrovnebaSi" da Seni TvaliT wagakiTxo eg yvelaferi?
roca raRaca ar ici, gaCumdi...
sakmaod mitynes tvini uniSi Tavis droze froidiT da vici rasac vambob...
ase rom SegiZlia Cemi poztebi pizdecinteleqtualurad aRar CaTvalo...
da paxodu miaWiro kidevac...
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi Goddess 29 Jul 2009

HaMMerFaLL

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 29th July 2009 - 05:19 AM):

ginda win dagido an agitvirTo wigni "Sesavali Tanamedrove azrovnebaSi"
es froidis namuSevaria? :help:

gamoxmaurebis naxvaRogues citata(dapostvis dro 29th July 2009 - 05:19 AM):

sakmaod mitynes tvini uniSi Tavis droze froidiT da vici rasac vambob...
an kargad ver CauteniaT, an Sen tvinSi ar iteneba msgavsi informaciebi :)

kergi ra...

p.s. koreqtuloba daicavi!
gamoxmaureba

- is suraTebi HaMMerFaLL 29 Jul 2009

gamoxmaurebis naxvaGoddesss citata(dapostvis dro Jul 29 2009, 09:53 AM):

HaMMerFaLL

es froidis namuSevaria? :help:

an kargad ver CauteniaT, an Sen tvinSi ar iteneba msgavsi informaciebi :)

kergi ra...

p.s. koreqtuloba daicavi!
ara, Cemi universitetis leqtorebis namuSevaria, sxvadasxva filosofosebis naSromebia gadmoqarTulebuli...
mogcem Tu ginda linkebs...
xoda iqneb mere Sevides marTla Sens tvinSi...
gamoxmaureba